Jesus Died So That We Can Have Peace And Prosperity!
According to Creflo Dollar that is. Of all the things I’ve heard him preach, that is the most vile and disgusting. I don’t claim to be perfect but I know that Jesus died so that our sins could be forgiven, not for our wealth or lack thereof. Take a look and pay close attention when you get to about 2:10 into the video.
Do these preachers not see the harm they are doing to the body? They are one step away from stating it’s a sin to be working class. I bet they’d go on to claim it’s the unpardonable sin to be poor.
It is certainly not wrong to have luxuries in life…hey I’ve got a number of expensive handbags and other things. But to preach it as gospel is more than disgusting.
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The most tragic thing about what these “ministers” are doing is that they are cheapening the value of the cross of Jesus Christ! What Jesus accomplished for us is far GREATER than earthly prosperity! It’s eternal life and participation in the godliness that only HE can give! To focus so much on any material wealth is not only short-sighted, it is an offense to HIS precious sacrifice!
Carey,
I’m still trying to understand the pull these “preachers” feel. I bet it has a lot to do with the money they’re sucking out of their congregations. Well, I actually spent years falling for their lies so I feel sorry for their followers.
Jesus does teach materialism.
He tells us to store up our treasures.
Unfortunately, prosperity preachers teach us to store up our treasures in a different place than He suggests; a place that will one day be consumed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
DID JESUS not have the best of everything when he was living on the earth?
wanted a donkey that had not been ridden. they gambled for his clothes when he was on his way to the cross. I am not a gambling man but i would not gamble for something i didnt think was going to bring me money and you wouldnt either. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…. I laugh at the ignorance of christian who call themselves christians but yet condem other christians. How come noone is on the news condeming the christian news casters for condeming preachers. I dont support any of these ministers but do I think What they are doing is unGODly . NOO I am not a preacher and dont claim to have all the knowledge in the bible but i do know what I know about the bible and I know JESUS said I didnt come to condem you but give you life and give it more abundntly! Thats straight from the source so. Do you think there are trailers in heaven for everyone to live in????. Nothing wrong with trailers but jesus talked about mansions in heaven. I guess if CNN could see heaven the would be CONDEMING GOD for the way heaven looks!!!! I can see it now WE ARE REPORTING LIVE FROM THE PEARLY GATES what GOD is walking on GOLD STREETS!!!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!! To me that is how stupid all this sounds
I honestly believe this is one of those situations where JESUS said they hated me they will hate you! I Think the world is FULL of the Pharisees That were saying JESUS was not of GOD. That same Spirt is on so many “CHRISTIANS” and they dont even realize it b/c they havent took the time to study out the word or watch the people they are talking about. I recall them saying something about a ROLLS ROYCE. I believe that would be Creflo and come to find out His CONGREGATION bought that car for him. IF anyone in this world were to say they wouldnt drive a rolls royce if someone gave it to them is a LIAR. All i am saying is please study out these AQUSATIONS before just believing what some video says. THE same Grassley guy who is investigating all of these preachers in the early 90′s sent Copelands WIFE “who was awarded CHristian woman of the year 1994″ wrote to them “It is a great privlage to join your family and friends IN sending congratulations to you upon the honor of being named the 1994 CHRISTIAN WOMAN OF THE YEAR! Thank you for your deticated service and leadership and may our LORD bless you as you continue to seek and serve him” Signed Charles E Grassly. The same guy who was praising them is now condeming them. Sounds like the day before JESUS was crucified and everyone was prasing him then CRUCIFY HIM is what they were chanting the next day. PLEASE let the elevator go to the top
SDavis,
For someone who admitted to not knowing all there is to know about the bible you sure are making some pretty strong claims about it. Well, the choice is yours. You are free to keep sending Creflo, The Copelands, and any of the others your money.
Lor Marie
I dont send them money Just like I said in my First post I do not SUPPORT any of these ministries! Noone will ever KNOW ALL there is to know about the bible. BUT I know what I have read in the bible and I have scripture for everything I refered to about Jesus!
SDavis,
The most important message of Jesus is NOT prosperity but salvation. Any minister who preaches otherwise should be avoided. There is no scripture to support ministries based on prosperity. Now if you’d like to bring in the scriptures you feel back your opinion, please do so and we can have a debate regarding the issue. Fair?
LorMarie
I agree that prosperity isnt the most important it isnt the least important either! I dont think there sole reason for preaching is prosperity But I believe its part of it So many times in the bible it is mentioned. Here you are with the scriptures YOU will have to look it up.
Deuteronomy 8:18
Joshua 1:7,8
Job 22:28
1 Chronicles 4:10
Psalm 1:1-3
Psalm 35:27
Psalm 37:3-5
Psalm 18;32
Psalm 31:19
Psalm 34:8-11
Psalm 85:12-13
Psalm 84:11
Isaiah 48:15-17
Just to NAME a FEW. Always remeber if these people are doing wrong GOD will Bring Their MINISTRY Crumbling down! No reason to debate I like to talk just for learning purposes! WHO knows YOU MAY BE ABSOULTLY RIGHT! BUT IF YOU CAN SHOW ME SOME SCRIPTURE AS I DID ” THEN ILL CONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO BE TRUE
First I’d like to point out that all of what you brought in thus far are OT passages written for our learning and not necessarily personal applications. I also noticed that you offered no explanation which indicates you really don’t understand the issue. Anyone can copy and paste bible passages but not all understand what they are about. For example, you brought in:
Deuteronomy 8:18
18 But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
It is obvious that God was speaking to a specific group of people. Was there a covenant sworn to your forefathers? This doesn’t prove your claim.
Joshua 1:7,8
7 Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go.
8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
Again, who was He talking to? If we accept your assertions, should we also believe that this applies to us:
Joshua 1
2Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel
Were you given any land? Also, verse 8 talks about the book of the law. What law is that? Here is one of the laws that Moses gave to the people:
6If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
7Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
8Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
9But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Remember, you brought in Joshua 1:7-8 which according to you tells us to meditate on and obey the law of Moses as it will lead to us becoming prosperous. Would you put someone to death for enticing you to serve another God? You can’t apply one part of Joshua 1:8 without applying all of it. Again, it doesn’t prove your claim.
Job 22 (King James Version)
28Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.
Have you studied the book of Job? If this passage proves your claim, then here is a challenge for you: “decree” that the war in Iraq stops tomorrow. Or, decree that the Atlantic Ocean is parted like the Red Sea. Or I’ll try to make it simple decree that you will never suffer any ailment in life. I especially await your response to this one. It’s pivotal to the point I’m making.
As for my scriptures, the very fact that you would doubt my assertion is true (that being the most important message is salvation) is a serious red flag. In fact, prosperity is not important at all (note, I didn’t say it was a sin, just not important). Here are a few:
John 3
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus
1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again
Galatians 1
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
So if Jesus came to save people from their sins and gave no commandment to preach prosperity and riches, could the prosperity ministries be “another gospel”? It’s obviously the case. What happens if one preaches another gospel? What exactly does the gospel mean to you? Why are bible believing christians severely persecuted in other parts of the world? In your opinion, did they not pray hard enough or meditate on the law (remember the passage your brought in)?
Remember, you stated that you do not like debate but would rather have a discussion for learning purposes (although, debates are for learning purposes). All I ask is that you back up your claims by showing an understanding of the texts in context and how they relate to the real world. Otherwise, thanks for stopping by.
Tell me whats wrong with my other scripture and how they dont apply to me! I thought the whole written purpose of the bible was so man could read it and apply it to everyday life? I just have 1 other question for you! Have you ever watched these people you speak against? Is all they ever talk about money?Are you a tither? Do you not realize it takes money to be on tv? Is watching a preacher on TV any different than watching a GAME on TV? It take just as much money to do both. I dont think you have ever watched or studied out any of this! Just listened too CNN to long
THE BIBLE decreed Jesus was comming but it didnt happen over night
Does ACTS 10:34 not say that God is not a respector of persons. If he will do it for the people in the old testament he will do it for me! Listen we all have the right to our own opinion. I just do what works for me! I believe in prosperity. I dont think its a money message I think its an obedience message. If you have a kid and he or she does good you bless them. Is God not a parent are we NOT his children. Just think of the LOVE you have for that kid and how when he does good you just want to bless him or her. Is Gods love for us not so much stronger. Bottom line if what you believe works for you then thats great. We are all climbing a mountain trying to get to the same spot JUST some of us take different paths. Doesnt mean YOU are Wrong Doesnt mean I am wrong. It works for me spiritually phisycally and financially. Dont matter if I gave you a 100 instances on how its worked for me in all 3 areas I just mentioned you wouldnt believe me! So I rest my case. I did learn something though
It appears that this is becoming more heated than I had hoped. You are now avoiding the major issues so there is no point in continuing. I was a follower of the prosperity gospel for 10 years actively. I am very familiar with the ministries spoken about in the video. You have moved from declaring that scripture backs up the prosperity gospel, then backing down from that once it was shown (by scripture) that to base a ministry on prosperity is wrong. As for your claim that it worked for you (what 3 areas, Iraq? Parting of the Atlantic Ocean? Ailments?). It appears that your relationship with God is based on blessings and not salvation. That is the worst thing of anything you imply. As for 100′s of instances of it working? That proves nothing against the claim of what is really important. I’ve seen things working myself, I’ve also seen the prosperity claims not work (in fact, I see it not working more than it works–for just about everyone I’ve witnessed in that movement). But again, that’s not what’s important. Some of us will be poor, sick, most middle class, healthy, and a few rich. None of that has anything to do with the gospel message.
Prosperity does not pertain just to money. Prosperity pertains to being blessed abundantly in every area of your life including salvation, your emotions, physical well being, situations and actual money. I just feel that most people who are against these ministers are just jeaslous. Christanity is not just a religion; it is a lifestyle. Why would God not want us to be wealthy when he makes provision in his Word for us to be the most blessed people on earth? We should be the most influential and wealthy of all of the people on this earth. I am a blessed person and know that these men and women are just trying to do what God has led them to do. Don’t be so quick to condemn.
Hi Norma Clark,
Most people who are against prosperity ministries are spot on correct. The truth is, if God intended for everything to go right in our lives, they would. Christians suffer in their physical bodies, with money, and everything else. That’s a fact that cannot be disputed. The error in prosperity ministries is not having material blessings, but preaching that they are available to every believer and some who are milking money out of their congregations. If you respond again, address the issue of christian persecution, poverty, health concerns, etc.
Your concern may be the blessings, but mine is how this teaching is turning people away from salvation through a false gospel. And I am speaking as a woman who sat under these ministries for a number of years and as a woman who has many material blessings. Also, I am still a fan of Paula White. But thank God my focus is on Him rather than the expensive bags I am able to buy, the vacations I plan, the money I make, my health, etc. So please don’t be deceived.