DOES RACISM REALLY CUT BOTH WAYS?
I sometimes post on the blog of a racially conscious man who stated that RACISM CUTS BOTH WAYS. At first I felt the comment was a knee jerk reaction or even a figment of his imagination. After all, white men usually have nothing to worry about when it comes to racism. You can imagine why I always yawn when I listen to a white man declare that he’s a victim of it. NEVERTHELESS, I’d be amiss if I did not admit that racism cuts both ways. We have to remember that this type of racism is rare and not institutionalized. To the white victim however, the ramifications can last forever. With all of that said, the American media just isn’t fair to ALL victims of hate crimes. If isn’t fair to victims of black on black crime, what can we expect?
Here we have the story of a young Marine and his wife who were killed by a bunch of jealous, good for nothing, low life pieces of crap. The murderers are black males and the murder victims are a white man and his black wife. Whether you agree with mixed marriages or not, there is an important factor to consider. HAD THE KILLERS BEEN WHITE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS AND CALLED A HATE CRIME. You can believe Al Sharpton would have had his fat a** at Camp Pendleton crying, “no justice, no peace.”
The madness doesn’t stop there. Has anyone ever heard about the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom? Probably not. Does the race of the killers have anything to do with it? You decide.
As you can see, four black men killed and tortured a young white couple. I’ve only heard about this in August. It should be noted that there was a 5th thug involved in this crime…a young black WOMAN. I’m not sure why she was left out of this video or what her role was in the whole thing. But even if she was fully involved, SHE’S A MONSTER WHO SHOULD PAY FOR HER CRIME. It’s no secret that I am a strong advocate for black women. The black female in question will get no support from me.
While most hate crimes are committed against blacks, we cannot ignore the fact that blacks have committed hate crimes against people of other races. So I guess the blogger over at the site I visit is right in a sense. Racism cuts both ways.
On a side note, I’ve always avoided linking to black women’s IR blogs. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not because I feel they’re wrong in principle. I don’t like the constant focus on white men. We all know that damaged beyond repair white men exist just as d.b.r. black men do. But out of sheer defiance against those who try to intimidate black women as well as in memory of the deceased couple, I will be adding both Halima’s and Evia’s links to my blogroll.
Hopefully, Marine Corp justice will be swiftly served here. I’m not yet sure what became of the Newsom/Christian case. I can only hope that justice was served there.
LorMarie…
I enjoyed reading your very insightful thought…Very glad this story is becoming well-circulated…I hope it goes viral…Be ready for trolls due to your new linx to IR blogs…However, I have a feeling you’re a woman who is not easily intimidated : )
You know, I wrote about Christian in my blog a few months ago. Here: http://djblackadam.typepad.com/damnitq/2007/09/crime-race-in-a.html
In any case, these sociopaths need the death penalty. If race was or was not a motive.
Here is what I wrote:
Over the last few months I have heard about many very horrible crimes. Aside from people victimizing people of their own “racial” or ethnic grouping, some of these crimes have been perpetrated to Blacks by Whites, some to Whites by Blacks, some to Latinos by Blacks, some to Blacks by Latinos, some to Whites by Latinos, some to Latinos by Whites, etc., etc. bottom line, all of these crimes were committed by humans to other humans.
Yes, human to human. That’s how I see it at least, I don’t know, maybe it’s the “Wisdom of Zehuti” buzzing through my head or something. However, in reading blogs and talking with people in my day to day existence, whenever the perpetrator and the victim are of different races, everybody goes stupid.
Two cases in particular really quantify this phenomenon. Both crimes are horrible, If I were for the Death Penalty, in both cases I would have the perps summarily executed in a public square. Let me give you all a few details in both of the horrific crimes.
Channon Christian and her boy friend Christopher Newson were kidnapped (car jacked). Christopher was raped and shot and set on fire the same day, Christian was raped repeatedly and strangled to death, her body found in a trash can. Christian and Newsom were White, their accused murderers and rapist Black. One of the perps is a woman.
The case regarding Megan Williams is still unfolding, however were it sits now, 6 Whites, somehow lured her to a home where she was raped, stabbed, cut, made to eat rat and dog feces and allledgedly all of this was done while she was being insulted with the N-word and told she was chosen because she was Black. She was rescued due to an anonymous tip, but it would appear that she narrowly escaped death. Three of these perps were women.
For the record, the victim in the later is alive, so we have her statements, unfortuantely for Christian and Newsom, they did not live to make theirs. Were these both hate crimes? My guess would be yes, it is safe to assume that race may have been a motive for Christian and Newson and we know race is allegedly a motive for Williams. However, in the Christian / Newsom case, Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated, and that the murders and assault “appears to have been a random violent act”. Whereas in the Williams case, the authorities are saying that At one point, an assailant cut the woman’s ankle with a knife and used the N-word in telling her she was victimized because she is black. The FBI is looking into possible civil rights violations, agency spokesman Bill Crowley said.
The point you say? Well, the point is this.. Hate crime or not, BOTH of these Crimes are horrible and both should draw outrage from Blacks and Whites (and everything in between for that matter).
Blacks or Whites (who have knowledge of both cases) who have been or are silent in one case yet rail and point out race in the other, only exemplify and reinforce the problem of the racism in The United States. In other words, you are part of the problem, not the solution. Wrong is Wrong, and we just need to call it that, irrespective of and without regard to race. I have seen responses to post about Williams on blogs by African Americans from Whites talking NOT about THIS crime, but comparing it to Christian and Newsom’s case and complaining that Blacks only see race when it happens to them. I say that the lack of Black bloggers talking about Christian / Newsom may be because of race, but the fact that when the Williams case is brought up that Whites can only see race and go back to a crime that they feel was done to “Them” are both examples of the same trifle. Only being able to see themselves, which is ethnocentric racism. People, Wrong is Wrong. Maybe the media is to blame to a degree, in what we hear about in our respective communities.
But hey, when we do hear about stories like these, no need to compare atrocities, BOTH were horrible crimes and I honestly believe most HUMANS in both the Black and White communities would see justice done, unequivocally, in BOTH cases. I can only hope.
I will note one thing I find different when Blacks respond to crimes against Blacks by Whites, and when Whites respond to crimes against Whites by Blacks. While Blacks do talk about race, general their hope is for equal justice, that Whites actually do time for the crime (as historically there are many examples of Whites not doing time when they commited crimes against Blacks: i.e. Emmit Till, Medger Evers), Whites I have observered, general start asking questions that go into why “Blacks” are capable of such “animilistic” / “barbaric” crimes, wondering if genes or race CAUSES the sociopathic behaviour, inferering, implying and sometimes even just flat out saying that subhuman beahviour is indiciative of being “Black” and speaking further to seperation between so called “races”.
The focus of race in this extent between the two groups comes from very different sociological presuppositions. One set more political and reflecting of being seen as equal (i.e. the Black call for equal justice) the other from Eugenics and a presupposed racial superiority by Whites. That is part of the problem.
Bottom line, a sociopath is a sociopath, regardless of and above race and gender. Secondly, the Criminal Justice system is not consistent or fair; race, gender and social class still have a lot to do with what kind of justice a person gets. People need to accept these TRUE presupposition before we can really look at the cause of crime and how to deal with that element and met out fair and consistentJustice.
I’m just saying…
While I have long been opposed to the death penalty generally, I think that perhaps there should be an exception for crimes that are uniquely heinous.
For some of the worst crimes committed, there is an argument that having the death penalty is the only appropriate way for society to express its outrage.
The only reservation I have about the death penalty in these cases is not that some people don’t deserve to die, but simply that having the death penalty tends to barbarise the population by encouraging a culture of revenge and desensitising people to the idea that the state has the right to take away life.
@CW– Thanks for stopping by and I’ll be adding your link in a bit. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU’RE DOING! Here is a link about the case that I find “interesting.” It’s from VDare which infamously known as a pro-white anti immigrant hate site. Their take on this case is striking because other’s appear to notice what’s going on in the black collective.
@DJ– You always gave me the impression that you are not in denial about racial issues. I’m not surprised that you covered this story. Honestly though, I notice whites tend to be more willing to admit to white on black hate crimes than blacks are to admit to black on white hate crimes. The history of race in America has a lot to do with that, but still.
@Nick S– I too am very uncomfortable with the death penalty. I still cringe knowiing the US is the only developed nation that uses it. I deal with it by staying focused on crime victims.
I think the death penalty is still on the books for exceptional crimes in some other developed nations. However, it is normally hardly ever used. The US is pretty well the only developed country that still uses the death penalty to a great extent.
It is really commendable the way you cover all sides of racial issues in such an open and candid manner without undue fear or sensitivity. Now, if only we could agree on gender issues!
Nick S,
I wonder if other nations avoid the death penalty because the crime problem isn’t as bad as it is here in the US. England appears to be catching up to the US as far as violence is concerned. It would not surprise me if they adopted it if they haven’t already.
Hello there!
I do believe that racism cuts BOTH WAYS but it cuts much differently when white privilege is factored in. This is one thing that white people FAIL to examine…they do not examine white privilege closely and RARELY interpret these situations while factoring in the impact of white privilege. In fact, a white person would probably ask me “well what do you MEAN by that?” which proves my point that they seldom examine white privilege if a BLACK PERSON has to break it all down for them to have a light bulb moment.
It’s good that you have decided to link to IR blogs. I don’t believe that those blogs present white men as “the ideal” or that they present white men as “flawless beings who dote on black women”. i just think that they spend a lot of time pointing out REASONS why black women should not limit themselves socially or romantically.
I have spoken about my interracial relationships at my blog but I do not present white men as “the BEST” or “the ideal”… men ARE men…there are wonderful and trifling men in every race…as there are wonderful and trifling women in every race…
Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
Lisa
LorMarie, the only other developed country that still carries out a significant number of executions is Japan. I completely forgot about them!
I’m not sure if crime is really worse in the US than in most other developed countries. That seems to be more of a perception than a reality, because major crimes in the US get a lot more attention and media publicity than crimes that occur elsewhere. I think that crime rates in the UK and Australia are actually higher than in the US. In the UK it is no secret that crime and general social breakdown have been getting worse over the last several years, although the official stats have been spun and manipulated to suggest otherwise.
In the UK I believe the parliament has voted on bringing back the death penalty a few times over the years, but it has usually been soundly defeated on a conscience vote (where MPs don’t have to vote on party lines). I seriously doubt they will reintroduce the death penalty, as most Labour MPs would oppose it and the Conservatives have gone to a lot of effort to shed their image as the ‘nasty party’.
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Wow, I just received a comment from an angry black male who accused me of spreading hate. He’s more concerned about the image of black men than a murdered couple. This is a thread about murdered victims of hate crimes. I will NOT allow any idiotic nonsensical people with hurt feelings to hijack this thread. Stick to the topic or don’t bother sending any comments here.
I’ve been discriminated by people of several races. In the USA, I have never been spoken to by an African American. Apparently, if you’re a Latino there, you are the enemy. Perhaps it is just my bad luck, but I’m telling the truth.
Here in Canada, I have been marginalized by whites and Chinese. Frankly, I can’t remember being looked down upon by East Indians, ever.
Anyway, racism–to me–is to treat somebody as if they’re different just because they’re of another race. And I’ve experienced it from all kinds of people.
But I still wonder why, as hard as I’ve tried, I’ve never been able to have a relationship with an African American. I always feel so rejected around them. I feel as if I am this undesirable person who is bothering them so much.
Any idea why?
Lorena,
What part of the country were you in? Some are more racist than others. Also, some Latinos, (specifically those with some African ancestry) tend to get along better with blacks for obvious reasons. Unfortunately, some blacks are just plain racist against nonblacks. At the same time, our experiences can cause us to project certain feelings on others. For example, there was a time when I was VERY uncomfortable with southern whites. Because I had a bad experience with about 3, I began to assume that all hated blacks. This is not to say it’s our fault. It is to say that bad experiences are powerful. I’m still trying to erase my own biases based on experience.
The best thing for us to do is take people as individuals. We shouldn’t assume that they’re racist or race open. Get to know them a bit and we’ll see. That’s what helps me at least.
Best Solution For Racial Conflict, Strife Is Separatism, This On Principle Of States Rights
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
LorMarie: I must say it’s difficult to see ur pt. Does “racism” cut both ways?–yes, now so what?–did u have a pt. u wanted to make?
Ck any dictionary: racism is loyalty to one’s race–and everyone must be racist (loyal) as it’s either-or proposition, loyalty to mixed or non-mixed–there are no other choices, basically. How can/could one NOT be loyal to one’s own?–unless one is irrational and un-healthy? And note pretending not to take stand on racist issue only works to advantage of mixed-race.
Note further, racism is no less than 5th of original Ten Commandments, “Honor thy race (parentage).”
So much for basic definitions. Next pt. is regarding the nature of life itself which is warfare, conflict, and strife–though not necessarily always for any given individual. Thus life sucks–is TRAGEDY, according to Greeks, and thus such tragic human condition is now part of Western culture ever since Greek forbears. Christians rightly teach we’re all SINNERS.
Thus given such strife among sinful humanity within tragic existence, we learn the basic cultural value/virtue of racial loyalty–common to all races of all peoples throughout history–be loyal to ur people, memorialized, once again, in Old Testament, 5th of Ten Commandments.
Now then who would tell people it’s NOT virtue to be racially loyal?–only the same sort (like Jews who worship the infernal Talmud–see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo) who would tell people not to be rational–and there are people like that–for example, homosexuals, who are simply a sector of over-populated mis-fits, so weak-minded, they’re successfully persuaded to be anti-rational–including then on issue of race, among other things too.
And note taking people as individuals still requires classifying them according to general categories. Blacks are NOT same people as whites (or any other race), never have been, and never will be. The different races, including whites and blacks, are natural, necessary enemies, always have been, and must have their different, exclusive governments and territories.
So what’s to be said about violence on part of anyone?–merely that prevention of violence against other races requires SEPARATISM, pure and simple.
Who is it then who prevents this necessary separatism?–obviously it’s Judeo-conspirators (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref. on CFR-Bilderberg conspiracy) of present oligarchy which rules ZOG-Mammon and USA. Jews and oligarchs consider it’s useful for their purposes to have races always fighting one another, keeping the people distracted fm oppression and dictatorship of these oligarchs and rulers.
CONCLUSION: It’s absurd for u to advise people, so condescendingly, to “take people as individuals”–this is already done by all people who strive to reason. U may as well just say, “be rational.” Best way to be rational, and fair, and honest with everyone, including esp. oneself, is to endorse honest principle, proven to be successful, of racial separatism and independent governments for the different races–this esp. on the virtuous principle of states rights. Only other principle–imperialism, as present USA travesty–has always failed, as it was/is designed. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Best Solution For Racial Conflict, Strife Is Separatism, This On Principle Of States Rights
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
So in a sense you are saying that people should not be expected to act like civilized human beings. If we possess the character, grace, and innate ability to abide by the law, handling conflict and strife intelligently will not be a problem for any civilized people.
LorMarie: I must say it’s difficult to see ur pt. Does “racism” cut both ways?–yes, now so what?–did u have a pt. u wanted to make?–Apollonian
Yes, the media often portrays blacks as victims or racism when some are in fact perpetrators of it. That was the point.
Ck any dictionary: racism is loyalty to one’s race–and everyone must be racist (loyal) as it’s either-or proposition, loyalty to mixed or non-mixed–there are no other choices, basically. How can/could one NOT be loyal to one’s own?–unless one is irrational and un-healthy? And note pretending not to take stand on racist issue only works to advantage of mixed-race.–Apollonian
I’m not pretending about taking a stand. Respectfully, as a white man (I think), you really cannot tell me or any other black woman, or any nonwhite woman) about race loyalty since your experience is drastically different than ours. I don’t believe in race loyalty, never have and never will. Btw, can you bring in a link to a dictionary that includes your definition of racism?
Thus given such strife among sinful humanity within tragic existence, we learn the basic cultural value/virtue of racial loyalty–common to all races of all peoples throughout history–be loyal to ur people, memorialized, once again, in Old Testament, 5th of Ten Commandments.–Apollonian
First I should say that you should be careful about bringing in the bible. Not everyone believes in it. Secondly, we shall agree to disagree on your assertion about the 5th commandment. But let’s pretend you are right. If God wanted us to be loyal to our race, why didn’t he demand that of Ruth the Moabitess, Rachab the Canaanites, The Shulamite girl in the Song of Solomon, just about every single woman who reproduced with Judah (If I’m not mistaken), and last but certainly not least, the captured women from enemy tribes that HE ALLOWED to be taken by the Jews/Israelites in battle?
And note taking people as individuals still requires classifying them according to general categories. Blacks are NOT same people as whites (or any other race), never have been, and never will be. The different races, including whites and blacks, are natural, necessary enemies, always have been, and must have their different, exclusive governments and territories.–Apollonian
I agree that blacks and whites have been enemies but I would not call it natural nor necessary. There are obvious differences between the races just as there are similarities. It is those differences to me that makes it most interesting. Whether one is black, white, Asian, or a combination of all makes no difference to me. If it does to you, that’s you.
CONCLUSION: It’s absurd for u to advise people, so condescendingly, to “take people as individuals”–this is already done by all people who strive to reason.–Apollonian
It’s obvious that I sound absurd to you, but understand how absurd your position is to me. Legalized racial separation is absolutely crazy to me. If people want to segregate, don’t be my guest. There should never be government sponsored segregation.
Only other principle–imperialism, as present USA travesty–has always failed,–Apollonian
Please, nations would do well in being “imperialized” by the United States. Oops, I said it…and meant it.
“LorMarie” Merely Wages Psychological War Against White People, Western Civilization, Objectivity
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
Thanks much for ur rebuttal–I didn’t expect u’d reply so quickly and in such detail. However I’ll adopt ur style, and quote u, before my reply, below, my text capped, [bracketed].
“So in a sense you are saying that people should not be expected to act like civilized human beings. If we possess the character, grace, and innate ability to abide by the law, handling conflict and strife intelligently will not be a problem for any civilized people.”
[LORMARIE, U'RE PRESUMING AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD AND RULE-OF-LAW--WHICH PRESUMPTION IS JUST THE PT. BLACKS AND WHITES ARE ENEMIES; THUS THEY REQUIRE SEPARATE STANDARDS OF LAW, CIVILIZATION--HENCE SEPARATE GOVERNMENTS, TERRITORIES. THERE'S NO "IF"--WE PRESUME NECESSARILY IN STATE OF WAR U DO NOT, IN FACT, POSSESS STATED AND PRESUMED "CHARACTER, GRACE, AND INNATE ABILITY...." UR PEOPLE DO NOT--SUCH IS OUR JUDGMENT, AS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE--THROUGHOUT HISTORY. SEPARATISM IS ONLY RATIONAL, REALISTIC, HONEST OPTION.
WHAT U PRETEND--SO PRESUMPTUOUSLY AND DISHONESTLY--IS BECAUSE SOME BLACKS ACT IN EXCEPTIONAL MANNER, AS U DESCRIBE, THEREFORE ALL BLACKS SHOULD BE SO EXPECTED--WHICH HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE, AND WHICH FAVORS BLACKS FAR TOO MUCH, WHICH WE WHITES REJECT OVERWHELMINGLY. THUS WE WILL HAVE SEPARATION--U MERELY WAGE WAR BY DENYING SUCH SEPARATION, REGARDLESS OF UR PRESUMPTION AND ASSERTION WHICH U IMAGINE WILL SERVE AS EXCUSE.]
“I’m not pretending about taking a stand. Respectfully, as a white man (I think), you really cannot tell me or any other black woman, or any nonwhite woman) about race loyalty since your experience is drastically different than ours. I don’t believe in race loyalty, never have and never will. Btw, can you bring in a link to a dictionary that includes your definition of racism?”
[IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER U "BELIEVE" OR NOT ABOUT RACE-LOYALTY--AS I DEMONSTRATED, IT EXISTS REGARDLESS--UR PRETENSION MERELY INDICATES LOYALTY, HENCE RACISM, IN FAVOR OF MIXED-RACE AND MIXED-RACEDNESS, THAT'S ALL. MY "EXPERIENCE" IS NOT "DIFFERENT" AS U ASSERT; LOYALTY IS LOYALTY. AS U PROFESS TO BE "HUMAN" U THEREBY MUST ADMIT TO SAME BASIC CONDITIONS OF LOYALTY AND RACISM.
i'VE CK'D ALL DICTIONARIES--THEY ALL BASICALLY AGREE, NECESSARILY UPON SUCH BASIC MEANING, "LOYALTY," FOR BASIC WORD, "RACISM"--(a) "A BELIEF IN SUPERIORITY OF A PARTICULAR RACE; PREJUDICE BASED ON THIS; (b) ANTAGONISM TOWARD OTHER RACES, ESP. AS A RESULT OF THIS."
NOTE THEN LOYALTY IS IMPLICIT BY WORDS, "PREJUDICE" AND "ANTAGONISM" IN ABOVE DEFINITIONS, SIMILAR TO ALL DICTIONARIES. ABOVE DEF. CAME FM "THE OXFORD AMERICAN DICTIONARY AND LANGUAGE GUIDE," OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS, 1999.]
“First I should say that you should be careful about bringing in the bible. Not everyone believes in it. Secondly, we shall agree to disagree on your assertion about the 5th commandment. But let’s pretend you are right. If God wanted us to be loyal to our race, why didn’t he demand that of Ruth the Moabitess, Rachab the Canaanites, The Shulamite girl in the Song of Solomon, just about every single woman who reproduced with Judah (If I’m not mistaken), and last but certainly not least, the captured women from enemy tribes that HE ALLOWED to be taken by the Jews/Israelites in battle?”
[BIBLE IS MOST SIGNIFICANT LITERARY SOURCE W. SIGNIFICANT QUOTATIONS WHICH EPITOMIZE THINGS HUMAN FOR ALL "CIVILIZED" PEOPLE OF THE WEST, PERIOD--IT INDICATES RACE LOYALTY GOES BACK LONG TIME, AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT SAME BASIC THING--RACIAL LOYALTY--AS PEOPLE IN BIBLE UNDERSTOOD TOO.
REGARDLESS WHAT U SAY, 5TH COMMANDMENT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT RACIAL LOYALTY--FOR U TO DENY MEANING IS TO DENY MEANING OF LANGUAGE (AS WE COMMONLY USE)--WHICH U PRETEND TO ACKNOWLEDGE AS HUMAN OF "CHARACTER, GRACE, AND INNATE ABILITY...."
REGARDING "RUTH, RACHAB," ET AL., THEY'RE STILL SUBJECT TO SAME BASIC RULE OF NATURAL LAW, EPITOMIZED FM BIBLE; THEY ALL WERE REQUIRED TO DO THEIR BEST--WHICH I CAN ONLY ASSUME THEY DID TO BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES--IF THEY SINNED, THEN IT'S UP TO GOD TO JUDGE. RACIAL LOYALTY REMAINS RULE AND COMMANDMENT IN REASON AND NATURAL LAW, AS BIBLE REMINDS US--NOT TO MENTION GOD'S SUPPOSED PRESCRIPTION.]
“I agree that blacks and whites have been enemies but I would not call it natural nor necessary. There are obvious differences between the races just as there are similarities. It is those differences to me that makes it most interesting. Whether one is black, white, Asian, or a combination of all makes no difference to me. If it does to you, that’s you.”
[LORMARIE, U'VE AGREED W. MY OBSERVATION, THUS PREMISE; HENCE U MUST AGREE W. THE CONCLUSION ABOUT NATURE AND NECESSITY. U REALLY MAKE LITTLE SENSE W. REST OF UR PARAGRAPH'S TEXT--DIFFERENCES AMONG RACES REQUIRE RACIAL SEPARATISM, SUCH IS THE POLITICAL NECESSITY, WELL KNOWN, WHICH U MERELY STRIVE TO IGNORE AND PRETEND "DON'T MATTER." U MERELY ARGUE FOR IMPERIALIST DICTATORSHIP.]
“It’s obvious that I sound absurd to you, but understand how absurd your position is to me. Legalized racial separation is absolutely crazy to me. If people want to segregate, don’t be my guest. There should never be government sponsored segregation.”
[I'M NOT ABSURD--I HONESTLY, STRAIGHT-FORWARDLY REFLECT LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS FOUNDED UPON WAR GOING ON PRESENTLY AGAINST WHITE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO MADE USA FOR SAFETY OF WHITE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE--WHICH IS NOW DESTROYED BY PRESENT ZOG-MAMMON EMPIRE WHICH ELEVATES BY USURPATION OTHER RACES NOW INFESTING USA TO SUPERIORITY OVER WHITES BY MEANS OF ABSURD, PRETENDED "EQUALITY" WHICH DOES NOT AND CANNOT EXIST--EXCEPT UNDER IMPERIAL DICTATORSHIP AND ENSLAVEMENT, AS PRESENTLY--AND WHICH WE SEE U ACTUALLY ADMIT.
GOVERNMENT IS NO DIFFERENT FM HOUSE MEANT AS MEANS OF SECURITY. PURPOSE OF USA GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT WHITE CHRISTIANS FM OTHER RACES WHO ARE AT WAR AGAINST WHITES, DECLARED FORMALLY AND NOT. IT DOESN'T MATTER U DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN UR SELF-SERVING LOGIC.]
“Please, nations would do well in being “imperialized” by the United States. Oops, I said it…and meant it.”
[LORMARIE, U CAN PRETEND TO JUSTIFY UR WAR AGAINST REST OF HUMANITY, PUSHING UR JUDEO-CONSPIRATORIAL "IMPERIALISM," AS U PLS IN UR SUBJECTIVISTIC MENTALITY--BUT U SHOULDN'T BE TOO SURPRISED WHEN WE WAGE WAR AGAINST U IN RETALIATION. U MERELY PRETEND U'RE JUSTIFIED IN IMPOSING UR SUBJECTIVIST MENTALITY AS EXCUSE FOR POLITICAL OPPRESSION. WE WHITES WILL DEFEAT U--JUST AS KKK DEFEATED U IN SOUTH AFTER RECONSTRUCTION ERA--JUST AS ORIGINAL WHITE CHRISTIANS DEFEATED BRITISH EMPIRE IN 18TH CENT.]
CONCLUSION: Thus Lormarie, we see I’m not absurd at all, but rather quite logical and realistic for observations and premises leading to racist conclusion–it’s a virtue, proven as by dictionary. It’s really u, we see, who advocates imperialism as u find it expedient to enslave white folk in accord w. ur self-serving, subjectivistic mentality. U admit war exists btwn whites and blacks and different races, yet u want to deny the necessary separatism for solution–justified by ur deliberate SUBJECTIVISM. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Apollonian,
First I’d like to say that I really don’t want white nationalist types, radical islamists, and others similar posting on my blog. At least not posting about their beliefs. After reading your latest response, I’m beginning to wonder if Paul Brown was right. You aren’t even a white christian but a radical muslim. I can’t prove it so I won’t take that any further.
As for your comment below:
CONCLUSION: Thus Lormarie, we see I’m not absurd at all, but rather quite logical and realistic for observations and premises leading to racist conclusion
I didn’t say YOU were absured as I try my best to refrain from attacking people personally. I said that your goals are absurd to me just as mine are to you. Here are a few of your other comments:
“LorMarie” Merely Wages Psychological War Against White People, Western Civilization, Objectivity
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
You’re right, I am.
[LORMARIE, U CAN PRETEND TO JUSTIFY UR WAR AGAINST REST OF HUMANITY, PUSHING UR JUDEO-CONSPIRATORIAL "IMPERIALISM,"
My war against humanity IS JUST.
BUT U SHOULDN’T BE TOO SURPRISED WHEN WE WAGE WAR AGAINST U IN RETALIATION.
Feel free to retaliate if you like. You will lose if you war with me.
WE WHITES WILL DEFEAT U–JUST AS KKK DEFEATED U IN SOUTH AFTER RECONSTRUCTION ERA–JUST AS ORIGINAL WHITE CHRISTIANS DEFEATED BRITISH EMPIRE IN 18TH CENT
Whites can’t defeat me as my genes are likely stronger. As for your kkk and revolutionary war comment, they don’t apply as I was born in 1973, not 1873 or 1773. Btw, the kkk is a joke.
It’s really u, we see, who advocates imperialism as u find it expedient to enslave white folk –Apollonian
Yup, it’s payback time. Report to the nearest internment camp so that you will recieve a new slave name, clothing, etc.
“LorMarie” Capable Of At Least Some Objectivity, Honesty
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
“LorMarie,” I thank u for ur latest responses; u really are capable of at least some honesty, it seems. Ur site was linked w. AccessStLouis.blogspot.com, “Guest Editorial…,” 30 Nov 08–that’s how I arrived at ur site.
Note u now throw aside ur earlier claim about “…character, grace, and innate ability to abide by the law….” U now explicitly admit ur basic hostility to white people, their culture, etc.–note these were my original points which u first denied.
But if u admit u can’t “prove” I’m “radical Islamist”–why do u so assert? Note I have massive archive at NewNation.org, under “commentary” heading, going back now several years.
Christianity then, which I endorse consistently, according to New Test., Gosp. JOHN, defends TRUTH (8:32 and 14:6) against Jew lies (8:44) and conspiracy–that’s basic anti-theses–which I always fully endorse. U seem to imagine Christianity is against reason. Christianity actually endorses same OBJECTIVE reality as Greeks–against Jew subjectivism.
Note my goal is racial separatism–why is that “absurd” to u?–u indicate u don’t WANT it, but u don’t say why beyond ur declaration. Why wouldn’t u be capable and willing to live according to separatism?
CONCLUSION: Pt. about Rev. war in 18th cent. is issue is same INDEPENDENCE, as secession of Southern states in 1861. Note old Soviet states SECEDED fm Soviet Union in decade before last–so basic issues are SAME, still in this day–freedom against imperialist slavery. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
“LorMarie” Capable Of At Least Some Objectivity, Honesty
(Apollonian, 1 Dec 08)
“LorMarie,” I thank u for ur latest responses; u really are capable of at least some honesty, it seems. Ur site was linked w. AccessStLouis.blogspot.com, “Guest Editorial…,” 30 Nov 08–that’s how I arrived at ur site.
Yes, I don’t mind the link. I don’t even mind if racists, gays, lesbians, muslims, witches, etc come here. I just don’t want anything outside of what I agree with promoted here. If such people come and respond to the topics I post, that’s fine.
Note u now throw aside ur earlier claim about “…character, grace, and innate ability to abide by the law….” U now explicitly admit ur basic hostility to white people, their culture, etc.–note these were my original points which u first denied.–Apollonian
Did you take my comments about white slaves seriously? Those were a joke.My point about grace and character still stands.
But if u admit u can’t “prove” I’m “radical Islamist”–why do u so assert? Note I have massive archive at NewNation.org, under “commentary” heading, going back now several years.–Apollonian
Some of the things you posted remind me of radical islamists (war and retaliation). Ultimately, it doesn’t matter which you are… I don’t agree with you.
Christianity then, which I endorse consistently, according to New Test., Gosp. JOHN, defends TRUTH (8:32 and 14:6) against Jew lies (8:44) and conspiracy–that’s basic anti-theses–which I always fully endorse. U seem to imagine Christianity is against reason. Christianity actually endorses same OBJECTIVE reality as Greeks–against Jew subjectivism.
I haven’t seen that anywhere in the NT. Please give me an example.
Note my goal is racial separatism–why is that “absurd” to u?–u indicate u don’t WANT it, but u don’t say why beyond ur declaration. Why wouldn’t u be capable and willing to live according to separatism?–Apollonian
I am not capable of living under anything like Jim Crow/Apartheid, Sharia law, Communism, etc because I thrive under a free society. I will accept no legal barriers having to do with my race or gender. Such a society is barbaric, IMO.
Why are you not capable of living in a society without legal racial segregation?
Now I know what Apollonian is afraid of. This is the multicutural world he wants to avoid… white men acting like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eidpOdDX8Qg
I found the video over at Womanist Musings.
@Lormarie:
What you have with that poster is White Christian idenity movement rhetoric, it is similar in aspects to some radical Islam and even some Black Hebrw Israelite and Muslim groups, but this poster, I do believe is part of the White “Chruch of the Creator” Stormfront mindset. It is very sad…
@Lormarie:
What you have with that poster is White Christian idenity movement rhetoric, it is similar in aspects to some radical Islam and even some Black Hebrw Israelite and Muslim groups, but this poster, I do believe is part of the White “Chruch of the Creator” Stormfront mindset. It is very sad…
Yup. The guy’s an idiot, (just in case he’s reading this) A couple of others of a similar ideology have posted here. As long as they (or anyone similar) don’t promote their beliefs here, I’m fine with it.